Whistling Past...

In today's New York Times, Whistling Past Dixie author Thomas Schaller examines whether Obama's candidacy alters his theory that Democrats are wasting their time trying to woo enough white vote to win Southern states.

Assuming that Obama continues to draw unprecedented black voter turnout, can he overcome the longstanding Southern deficit of white voters and win a chunk of Dixie?

Probably not:

Mississippi, the state with the nation's highest percentage of African-Americans in its population, illustrates how difficult Mr. Obama's task will be in the South. Four years ago, President Bush beat John Kerry there by 20 points. For the sake of argument, let's assume that Mr. Obama could increase black turnout in Mississippi to 39 percent of the statewide electorate, up from 34 percent in 2004, according to exit polls. And let's assume that Mr. Obama will win 95 percent of those voters, up from the 90 percent who voted for Mr. Kerry four years ago.

If that happened, the black vote would yield Mr. Obama 37 percent of Mississippi's statewide votes. To get the last 13 percent he needs for a majority, Mr. Obama would need to persuade a mere 21 percent of white voters in Mississippi to support him. Sounds easy, right?

But only 14 percent of white voters in the state supported Mr. Kerry. Mr. Obama would need to increase that number by 7 percentage points -- a 50 percent increase. Mr. Obama struggled to attract white Democrats in states like Ohio and South Dakota. It strains credulity to believe that he will attract three white voters in Mississippi for every two that Mr. Kerry did.

When all is said and done, I actually think Obama could increase black turnout in Mississippi more than just 5% over Kerry. But even then, I agree that Mississippi is likely out of the question.

But what about Georgia? As Jonathan has documented, the Libertarian candidacy of Georgia-native Bob Barr could very much cut into McCain's vote.

More Schaller:

Mr. Obama can write off Georgia and North Carolina for the same reasons that Mississippi is beyond his reach -- although the math in those two states is slightly less daunting. Virginia, however, is the one Southern state that Mr. Obama has a reasonable chance of winning. And it's precisely because the home of Robert E. Lee, as NBC News's political director, Chuck Todd, has suggested, is seceding from the Confederacy.

I emailed Tom to ask what increase over Kerry's 2004 white vote in Georgia Obama would need - and Schaller says it's still a rather daunting 33%.

So perhaps we shouldn't be planning on Southern electoral votes quite yet (excluding Virginia). But as we've pointed out here before, the unique turnout abilities Obama brings makes the fight worth it, if only to put McCain on the defensive.

Update [2008-7-1 17:18:10 by Josh Orton]: Back in May, DavidNYC laid out the case for a glimmer of hope that Obama could pull the white vote needed to win a state like Mississippi:

However, one piece of data is cause for a (very small) bit of optimism. A SurveyUSA poll of the race (the only one that I'm aware of so far) already shows Obama getting 20% of the white vote against McCain (who pulls "only" 74% of it). There may well be something of a Wilder Effect going on here - it's impossible to say. But it's a start. (The SUSA poll, incidentally, shows McCain with a 54-41 lead. But the racial balance is 65-33, and Obama wins the black vote by 83-13, which, per my thoughts above, I think is pessimistic.)

There's also the John McCain factor. Simply put, I’m not sure how well McCain will play in MS. The New Englander Bush strove mightily to portray himself as a son of the South – and with the press as willing lackeys, he succeeded. McCain can’t even pretend to pretend like George Bush did.

What’s more, McCain presents himself as the ultimate anti-pork crusader. But one man’s pork, of course, is another’s vitally important home-district project, beloved by constituents. And in few places is this view more prevalent in the deep South. In 2005, for example, Mississippi ranked second in terms of federal tax dollars spent in the state vs. revenue collected from the state. I’m not in favor of policies such as these, but that’s beside the point: The fact is, running against earmarks, while popular with an element of the wingnut base, is not going to be well-received in the Magnolia State.



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Re: Whistling Past... (none / 0)

Kinda kills his sales if Obama proves him wrong don't it!


by conspiracy on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 05:01:40 PM EST

Re: Whistling Past... (2.00 / 1)

I bet Tom would agree that it'd be worth it.


by Josh Orton on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 05:04:39 PM EST
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finally some realism (none / 0)

because these Obamalites are kidding themselves if they think Obama is gonna win the deep south. pertending that racism doesn't exist like Obama supporters do except when talking about the Clintons is not a winning tactic. He should focus on the rust belt and midwest. Indiana is a really good looking right now. Virginia, I predict will not be part of the real south in the future.


by Lakrosse on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 05:04:40 PM EST

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Gee, that "rewrite the map" stuff doesn't seem to be doing too well.

by killjoy on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 05:09:27 PM EST

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How so?


by conspiracy on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 05:12:59 PM EST
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7 percentage points (none / 0)

But only 14 percent of white voters in the state supported Mr. Kerry. Mr. Obama would need to increase that number by 7 percentage points

actually, not.

There is no way to know how many votes will go to Barr, or whether some other conservative alternatives will come along, or whether white voters will be inclined to stay home, or whether the black turnout will be higher than 39%.

at this early stage almost everyone is just pulling numbers out of their @ss.   at this point we should just get organized, get people registered and GOTV.


Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
by TrueBlueMajority on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 05:10:45 PM EST

It's not just the top of the ticket (none / 0)

Obama may not win a single state in the deep south but he may make the difference for a lot of down ticket white Democratic candidates. They will win a larger margin of white votes then Obama and add to that not just a historic turn out for African Americans but also a much higher percentage of young voters and you could pick up a few congressional seats while party building in states long neglected.

He is thinking about not just November but long term for the party and for his ability to deliver on the promises he makes during the election which will require a Democratic congress.


by hankg on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 05:24:36 PM EST

Re: It's not just the top of the ticket (none / 0)

Indeed. It will be easier for Ronnie Musgrove to win if Obama loses by 10 instead of 20.


by conspiracy on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 05:30:01 PM EST
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I think Obama's chances in the Deep South, while not great, are better than Schaller thinks (and will cite a Rasmussen poll from just last week showing the race at 50-44 in Mississippi, which, with some guesswork, means he might be getting 14% of the white vote, with 10% still undecided).  In a nutshell, for Obama to win everything has to go right (eg. African-American voter participation which is well above historical averages, large turnout among young people who vote Democratic, reverse coattails from strong candidates who can make the plea to vote for the fresh face, and a general sense that McCain might just be too old for the job).  

The Rasmussen poll, unfortunately, doesn't breakdown the numbers by race, which would show whether Obama was within striking distance, but they do include this chestnut: Obama is apparently beating McCain among voters 18-29 by 75/22 (and that's the obvious point of entry, the racial dynamics of Mississippi politics seems to have an intergenerational faultline).  Indies seem to be splitting 54/33 (again, for Mississippi, that's a decent figure, because that segment, while small, is not African-American).

Regard Mississippi, Georgia, and even South Carolina as the "perfect storm" states (Obama can win if everything goes right), North Carolina and Florida are states he can win if most things go right (principally because of high turnout), and Virginia is a genuine battleground (because of Arlington and Fairfax counties, etc.).

It'll be curious to see whether Obama invests heavily in the first group.  The best argument for doing so, imo: the main task wouldn't be winning over voters are undecided or lean GOP (as would be the case in a state like West Virginia) but ensuring that everyone who backed you was registered and turned out (that would put him in striking distance, then everything would turn on how the last few pins fell).


by IncognitoErgoSum on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 05:30:03 PM EST

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How dear boy does it put McCain on the defensive when one of the most liberal blogs in the country ADMITS Obama hasn't really a snowball in hells chance of winning any other southern states than VA and FL. Duh. McCain's probably figured this out too so he's not going to fall for any head fakes suggesting he's got a problem in GA. This was was one of the Obamanaut fantasies that was never going to happen. Clinton might have picked up a couple of Southern states he never had the remotest chance despite all the bs from his supporters.    


by ottovbvs on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:07:31 PM EST

Re: Ottovbvs (none / 0)

Hillary would win Ohio and Florida GOING AWAY simply on demographics.


by nzubechukwu on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:16:13 PM EST

Re: Ottovbvs (none / 0)

Um...she's not the candidate.  If she were, Florida and Ohio would be two of the FEW states she would win.


John McCain, maverick
by lojasmo on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:27:38 PM EST
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Re: Whistling Past... (none / 0)

If we're lucky, you'll drown in it.


John McCain, maverick
by lojasmo on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:26:12 PM EST

I wonder... (none / 0)

about this part:

Mr. Obama struggled to attract white Democrats in states like Ohio and South Dakota.
Are white Democrats in Ohio and South Dakota really analogous to white Democrats in Georgia and Mississippi?

I don't think Obama will win any of these states -- not sure any Democrat would -- but just wondering about this one piece.


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by fbihop on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:26:35 PM EST

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I think that the number of white voters who will swing Democratic this year are being vastly underestimated.

The South is ready for a change, and the GOP knows it.

"Whistling Past Dixie" should be a theme for the GOP, not Democrats.  I believe there is a demographic sea change happening:  I believe those who think that Southerners will not and cannot understand the games the GOP plays with them are wrong.

I am looking for Obama campaign organization, vision, money and support to make a big difference here.

I see the GOP to be looking over its shoulder, watching Obama courting the huge Southern Evangelical Vote, watching Obama making early moves that ease the troubled minds of people who've been told for decades that Democrats were no-account, didn't understand them, and would do them wrong, and I saw the whole South listening and paying attention to debates and Primaries and being up on every bit of news, and the GOP have to be getting scared.  Very scared.  

You can't fool all the people all the time, and they know it.

What do you think the whole stupid Karl Rove "country-club Elitist" smear campaign is about?  

They know they have to drive a wedge early and separate Obama from "regular Americans", or this will be a killing field for the GOP as it stands today.


by dembluestates on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 07:22:24 PM EST

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it's all turnout.  georgia, north carolina, florida, and missouri will only be won by african american turnout.  mississippi has a SLIGHT possibility but it's extremly unlikely.  however, if the turnout is great enough to put musgrove and haygan over the top then as long as obama wins, who cares?  also one other factor here, conservative turnout. in the deep south white pretty much equals repub on the prez level (except for those 14-30% who vote democratic, varying by state).  what if mccain fails to enthuse them, and more white voters stay home.  for example, in miss, AA turnout is 65% and white turnout is 45%.  even though there are more white people than AA in miss, this hypothetical disparity would give AA a much greater than normal percentage of the statewide vote.  i'm not saying this would happen, but it is possible that the polls are failing to fully grasp the % of turnout of both races. (also, i hate speaking of politics in terms of race, but in a state where AA vote demo almost 9-1 and whites repub almost 9-1 it's impossible to avoid.


Mccain/Palin '08: Grandpa's losin' it.
by Doug Tuttle on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:35:02 PM EST

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Again, as stated, it seems that until things get closer to voting time, it is all up in the air.  There are too many variables this time around to just put the same old numbers into the same old formulas and pull the lever to see what happens in the crystal ball.  

Everyone seems to have a opinion and they are not all the same, or only differing just by party.  There are very good theories on how Obama could actually carry the southern states without it just being on the AA vote and turnout.  He has a decent chance of convincing a fair portion of the white population that he could do a better job based partly on charisma, partly on his effective show of intelligence, and partly on who he is running against.

I think that he has a LOT of work to do to make these states really competitive, but I would not write ONE state off this year...everything is up for grabs for the DEMS.  (About damned time too)


by Hammer1001 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:57:01 PM EST

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I think Schaller is assuming that this will be an "all things equal" election.  If Obama is spending resources and time in Mississippi, which Kerry certainly didn't do, his vote share should increase.  And if McCain seriously has to defend MS, this election is all but over.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:51:08 AM EST

Barr at 9% (none / 0)


So Obama for win with 37% black turnout (which I think is reasonable) he has to win the same 14% of the white vote that Kerry which implies that Barr needs to peel off 9%. snark Of course, Obama lacks Kerry's wooden delivery, and thinly veiled contempt of Georgia. end snark But he still may get that 14%.

9% for Barr is pretty reasonable in GA, where he will be strongest. But if Obama moves into anti-choice territory withe his new Jesus friends he may lose some of that 14% libertarian-tending vote to Barr. I am going to tell you that white conservative protestants are not going to vote for Obama. But they can and some will vote for Barr.

So it is certainly feasible, but not easy. And since his right flank is covered by Barr, supporting health care, including women's reproductive health, can help. Supporting education and veteran's health care would also be good for a race with a libertarian and a conservative.


by redwagon on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 01:12:50 PM EST


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